Can. It all depends on how you train the dog. Every day we meet fully pigmented stupid missbehaved aggressive unhealthy dogs. Please if you reply, refrain from making any personal attacks on me as a person. Genetics don’t work that way.”. WTF are you still blabbing about? Grandin T., Rooney, M. B., Phillips, M. Cambre, R. C., Irlbeck, N. A., and Graffam, W. (1995). Isn’t Germany the country that did or still does cull puppies in large litters just because they think it’s better for the dam to not have to raise so many puppies? I’ve not been “bashing Border Collies” I’m sure there are some lovely ones, I simply spoke of experiences. I don’t care about your dog in specific, I’m speaking to BREED dispositions and BREED expression of disease and BREED temperament. etc. Making rash, generalizing statements about anything demonstrates a lack of intellect, I suggest people take his blog posts with a grain of salt. Mona Karel recently posted..Let’s Welcome JoAnne Tucker for a Friday Poet’s Corner, You also have the advantage of good old fashioned common sense. Jess recently posted..Tazi, a Journey with the Afghan Hounds. He has not pooped inside in over 2 months. ), they also didn’t pop cherry eyes. A theory or a group of ideas about how something should be done, made, or thought … A theory of knowledge Of course this doesn’t make them an ideal buy it and forget it pet. There is nothing at all anxious about my dog, you can do anything with her, take her on trains, buses, central London, and she’d never even consider biting anyone. They don’t go blind, they don’t develop skin cancer, they have the same risk of developing and being born with genetic defects as any other doberman would. There’s no such thing as a “base” color nor a “mask” nor “cover up” nor “spots ON white” these are just mental model terms people use to describe the coat colors and patterns they see. Dalmatians are active, intelligent dogs. His/her other genes will never be far and wide in the breed. The panda is an anomality of evoltuion it climbs and walks like a bear. Why would they not want to eliminate painful health conditions such as kidney stones? The only difference is luck and gene penetrance and where the patterning happens to fall. The snarling and dominance over the house began. And got a blind and deaf dog. When Dalmatians are born, they are completely white. Absolutely. The latter is entirely, voluntarily supported by the very status quo of dal breeding. When you have aggressive tendencies in larger dogs like mastiffs it becomes life threatening. I feel like many of the supposed behavioral issues have more to do with owners not understanding the breed(or dogs in general) and their needs. “It still isn’t life threatening or bad in my opinion, reduction in pigmentation is part of evolution and even domestication, piebaldism does not exist in the wild but it does in domestic animals, it even popped up in the russian fur fox farm experiment and foxes with blue eyes also appeared, what do you think this means?”. They should not be nasty biting unhealthy deaf things. There are two white genes in cats, one called “dominant white” that masks all other colors and is associated with blue eys and deafness; the second is the “white spotting” gene that can cause anything from a few white hairs to a completely white cat but is not linked with deafness. Metfessel, M. (1935). 2. Destabilizing selection as a factor in domestication. Do you think they deserve an award because they finally relented? International Behavioural Sciences Service, Consultants Bureau, New York. Saying that albinism (or something similar to it) makes an animal violent/aggressive does not hold any weight, then albino humans would be too. Deaf dogs are not all aggressive and a threat to society. That strong inner-city or urban link to the horse. Dev. I already described all of the DNA tests for Border Collies. A Dalmatian like most other breeds are not for everyone and if left to their own devices they will become bored, stressed or even territorial toward their garden, that they never leave but ONLY if the owner is clearly not in charge and has allowed this behavior to creep in slowly. I don’t run around BAER testing Dalmatians nor do I disect their mid-brains. This time lag discourages others in different breeds from looking for a cure. Heavens alive no. The idea that you’d trade hundreds of times the incidence of one type of COMMON stone to remove the already scarce incidence of another is a horrible wager. Tsukuba high and low emotional strains of rats (Rattus norvegicus): An overview. Dev Psychobiol. How pathetic is that? (1971) found that flecked mice with variegated areas of both pigmented and depigmented areas of skin and fur, have normal visual pathways to the brain even though they are roughly 50% albino. Why don’t YOU spend a few minutes reading the HUNDREDS of posts on this blog before you make an uninformed assessment of what I write about. Wow Shaun! It’s a much older mutation in humans (and not the same one). That blows your “trade off” theory out of the water as well. All three have bilateral hearing, allergy free, and I have yet to deal with any urinary issues. All dobermans are inbred to some extent, therefore all albino dobermans most certainly are. Does the German KC punish dogs with patches? Do you think there’s some relevant comparison here? Cambridge Philos. In my mind that simply does not make for a healthy, more broad based, pedigree. Im of the opinion it’s impossible to “spoil” a good JRT, that they are “spoil” proof. Now forgive me, I am not perfect and may respond in a similar manner as I have been addressed. There are NO dals being bred for anything else. Have you seen it, the viral video of a “guilty” dog? I’d guess with large litters like Dals have that non-hearing puppies could easily hide their deficit by taking their cues from the other puppies. It is a transporter gene that all other dogs have, except those who form urate stones. Do they still look so unhealthy to you? Look I am totally on your side when it comes to the argument that we as breeders have a lot of room for improvement but I still think that you are going about it in totally wrong manner. I don’t need to read any more of your 400+ posts to surmise that there’s certainly some sort of personality defect going on with you, and that there’s no reasoning with you., Finnish JTO It is stated there are less than 100 LUA Dalmatians in existence today, compared to the thousands of regular Dalmatians in the US, and tens of thousands worldwide. Dawkins, M. S. (1993). Davis, M. (1992). Is that profound? No argument there! Again, that’s something wrong with her. My Dalmatian is the sweetest family dog one can ever dream to have. But what breed is free of all problems? Even if you’re telling the truth. All the border collies i’ve worked with are WAAAAYY more highly strung than any Dalmatians I know (I grew up on a farm and around many sheep farmers who owned them as working dogs/pets) a lot seem to suffer very neurotic tendencies, I find them to be very obsessive over possessions and untrustworthy around children/other dogs (no matter how much exercise they get) They also, like all pure breeds, suffer from genetic predispositions to certain problems, Hip dysplasia, Collie eye anomaly (CEA), and epilepsy are the most recognised problems. . And the individual does not always have to meet the breed standard either. Could the real reason for the failure to address this new knowledge be lost of individual power and respect? Instead, you are blogging and asking for donations. Both weigh about 45 to 60 pounds (20 to 27 kilograms). One brief reference in Science by Minckler and Pease (1938) refers to a colony of albino rats living under feral conditions. Dogs for herding livestock. The Collies i’ve met have not been. If you ever were in the Firehouse when the Alarm went off…the Dal would be the first to jump in the truck. One is a unique uric acid metabolism that predisposes them to developing stones in the kidney or bladder. Dalmatians are generally very sweet dogs that will tackle you so you can pet them! For that matter, blue dobes piss me off as well. Parsons, P. A. With that said, I would trust my two Dalmatians with children and anyone else 100%, before my Aussies. Instead, they participate in denial and data cover-ups. Even dark-eyed white cats do not survive under feral conditions. You will know the difference if the dog means it. The ones YOU own. Australian Shepherds, Border Collies, Rough Collies, Shelties, Smooth Collies, Great Danes, etc. That means you suck. The less melanin, the less protection. Whats up with the anger? My Dalmatian is the sweetest, calmest, and most intelligent dog I’ve ever owned. I have a theory that broken patterns such as piebaldism and merle are the direct result of domestication, I have yet to prove it, but to me it makes sense. My dog, and all other dals i’ve met, have been confident, happy and loving animals. Regardless of whether or not the dog is lazy like mine, provide them with plenty of daily mental and physical stimulation. I have seen heavily spotted, almost all black Dalmatians be deaf and lightly spotted, double blue eyed ones have hearing. 8) There should be a new chart available which is immensive. I`ve always thought white Dobermans where taboo to breed,that’s why I’ve never seen one and they seem to be rare. The whole dog show thing is just like the figure skating world that I was involved with once. They’re dogs. Ever since I started in dogs I have mentored many on true soundness and what it meant. I could be a hobo who is barely literate, it wouldn’t make what I’ve written any less accurate and your inability to point out a single flaw in the genetics means that you’re probably not much of a Vet at all. My daughter rescued one, so I do have first hand experience with one. Because we certainly would have been sued to say the least. 12. LUA Dals should be bred in more. The Australian Stumpy Tailed Cattle Dogs are even worse off, with idiots breeding stumpy to stumpy & wondering why they only have a couple of surviving pups if at all. Feel free to go read them. Now what these folks need to grasp which is more than interesting are the breed groupings that science reveals common haplotype (DNA sequences groups share. That doesn’t make you a good breeder, it makes you an apologist idiot who actually doesn’t care about your dog’s welfare as much as you care about their coat color. It is desire for purebred dogs of ANY kind that perpetuates the problems of that particular breed. The next dog I will get, may be a dal cross of some sort (this isn’t because I’ve suffered any consequence of living with my dal, but I, like you, would like to see lenience with regards to a little gene pool widening, in ALL breeds) In both dogs and cats, a white or piebald coat color is also related to an increased incidence of deafness (Schaible and Brumbaugh, 1976; Sorsby and Davey, 1954). And yes this certainly DOES put the risk of skin cancers and eye damage up higher in these individuals than in those with higher or normal melanin concentrations/production. First off, you need to stop applying European standards to the blog. Pathetic. The enrichment of a bare environment for animals in confined conditions. Goodwin, D., Bradshaw,J. Humans have produced varies breeds by specifically selecting different traits, but they are all the SAME species. Treatment options weren’t great and our veterinarian couldn’t say how things will progress or how long we can expect Lily to live..”., •The Sad Truths of Internet Trolls: (more)…. Wow, now you’re trying to misrepresent science and evolution. During her 3 short years she bit 7 people, tried to bite others and jumped out of a moving car(at 40 mph) she was fine?!?!. Just look at my most famous post, where first rate respected top show breeders intentionally bred Merle to Merle. Anyone interested is welcome to read the actual study which talks about this: The coloring is a poison and it has an effect that clearly interrupts an over-rides all the many other elements and genes that influence behavior. Not going to derail this post about Dalmatian issues to discuss Border Collie issues. Responsible breeders will not breed dogs that are deaf or have unilateral hearing. Dog breeds are experiencing the culmination of isolated gene pools; the opposite situation. 2004 1012 Should they chose to sell a deaf breed then they should be responsible enough to get them fix before they do so. The effects of inbreeding and crossbreeding on guinea pigs. I dont have to even point and off they go they seem to know where everything is at all times. Obviously not something synonymous with that particular breed but with moronic owners like this I’ll jump to my own inbred conclusions! Not every Dalmatian will be deaf, some 70% are not, but that’s just the luck of the draw and 30% deafness is a disgrace! But I went with someone to the home of a collie breeder who lived, like many dog breeders, out in a rural area. The soonest possible date to have a Dalmatian puppy tested by a fully qualified Veterinarian is six weeks and one day. Dalmatians love playing with children because like them, children are high energy. But I am amused you seem to think that my getting a full academic ride to the best school in the world and dancing off with a Bachelor of Science degree is somehow something to be ashamed of. Brown, J. R., Ye, H., Bronson, R. T., Dikkes, P, and Greenberg, M. E. (1996). The issue, as dog breeders, is are we really improving dogs? 3, 335-349. That the rest of us don’t agree with making dogs deaf is a bonus. You can not claim that 1 in 10,000 is the same as 1 in a billion chance. It is one of the earliest known breed of dogs dating back to ancient Egypt and the time of the Pharaohs. (GMO corn, wheat, soy ?). Dave recently posted..From Which He Flushed. Anz., Suppl. He was a charming puppy but as he grew i noticed he displayed rather cocky and dominant behaviour towards other dogs, and when he played in the park he would often elicit a negative reaction from calmer more submissive dogs. E. 0., and Angel C. (1983) A canine model of psychopathology In “Psychosomatic Medicine” (A. J. Krakowski, and C. P. Kimball eds.) Chris brought up the temperament issue. I’d even argue that it could be more open and be more beneficial, but it’s decidedly better than the unthinking and closed stud books that are extant in other neighborhoods in the fancy. 5, 19-48. In the meantime how do you keep those dogs carrying the affected gene in the gene pool when you have people like you trying to convince the entire world that they are no good and diseased? Listen Catherine, I don’t care if you don’t think I’m a nice person, but I expect people to make intelligent and informed comments that are rational. It would seem the Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute, Shiba Inu and Akita come next in the evolution from wolf to domestic dogs. It’s no consolation that any of you have managed to not have a case in your dogs, that’s nothing you can take credit for, that’s simply relying on the incomplete penetrance of the disease to the allele. I am one of the breeders that share the views of the makers of the program and applaud anybody who can dust some cobwebs of some old breeders attitude or the KC’s around the Word. John Murray, London. I have had one deaf and 6 unis out of those same dogs which equates to a deafness rate of just 3.5% total and an actual total deafness rate of just .5% All my dogs tat have been bred have been health tested and since it’s inception have had their CHIC numbers. As Dalmatian breeders, we consider it an ethical – and moral – obligation to make every reasonable attempt to improve the health of our beloved Breed. As for their reputation and popularity in FCI countries, that might be something interesting to look at. Having the dog pick up his trail like that tells me he went over the fence and out to the front of my house right where the dog started sniffing the air and alerting. Nothing replaces the certainty of a BAER test, although breeders should delay it as long as possible as the degeneration and hair cell death usually occur two to four weeks after birth, but not always. If you give them a name that must be where they are from. All dogs are artificial because we’ve selected and chosen and bred them for certain traits, that is why they vary so much. I won’t argue with you further as I would just be repeating what others have said, but I just wanted to ask you a simple question. ), pp. 85, 56-59. B., (1930). Ekman describes many kinds of smiles, from the “felt” or true smile to the fear smile, the contempt smile, the dampened smile, the miserable smile, and a number of others.”, “Many biologists think the smile originated as a sign of fear. The shelters stated what I did, the people who took the dogs were not willing to spend the time to train, give them the exercise they need and take care of them. All Dal’s need an incredible amount of excercise. The White Artic Fox losses its white coat when the snow melts. I can find examples of medical issues in virtually all “breeds” of animals. Now they’re well past blonde into platinum. Go fuck yourself. I am an owner of a well bread dalmatian with a stable temperment. I do however ask if they have health problems. What is the most genetically diverse breed? 7. Thus people who were not willing to put in the time to exercise and stimulate the breed ended up having problems. I’ve owned/grown up with so many dogs, and as much as I loved them all, my dal is the best natured by far. Academic Press. Sorry all I see here is somebody who will do EVERYTHING to achieve his mission but it scares me if that person has such ignorant views and will make statements that they know nothing about. I still don’t think you understand the point. Extreme piebald causes deafness. Genet. Others might find themselves seemingly trapped in this Informational time line? Do your research on the breed you want that fits your lifestyle rather than impulse adopting / buying the cutest guy/gal you see. The Dal breeders are doing their best and we only have the breed because we love them . The only breed books or magazines that mention them seem to forbid breeding them. 14(2), 117-125. Given time, trust, and love, they become extraordinarily loyal. You can see when you look into his eyes he is not quite right!, there is just something in there that says i have potential! Again, I agree with you about the Peke and most of those miniature biting nuisances. It is irrational to deny and reject the basic concepts that are well supported and argue scientific fact. On the effects of domestication on canine social development and behavior. Using stories to support a theory is just sad. Would your breed club want to try and find any “pedigree” Dals that are free?! Grandin, T. 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